Cara Anthony
SIKESTON, Mo. — In 1942, Mable Cook was a youngster. She was standing on her entrance porch when she witnessed the lynching of Cleo Wright.
In the aftermath, Cook acquired recommendation from her father that was supposed to maintain her protected.
“He didn’t want us talking about it,” Cook mentioned. “He told us to forget it.”
More than 80 years later, residents of Sikeston nonetheless discover it troublesome to speak in regards to the lynching.
Conversations with Cook, one of many few remaining witnesses of the lynching, launch a dialogue of the well being penalties of racism and violence within the United States. Host Cara Anthony speaks with historian Eddie R. Cole and racial fairness scholar Keisha Bentley-Edwards in regards to the bodily, psychological, and emotional burdens on Sikeston residents and Black Americans basically.
“Oftentimes, people who experience racial trauma are forced to not acknowledge it,” Bentley-Edwards mentioned. “They’re forced to question whether or not it happened in the first place.”
Host
Cara Anthony
Midwest correspondent, KFF Health News
Cara is an Edward R. Murrow and National Association of Black Journalists award-winning reporter from East St. Louis, Illinois. Her work has appeared in The New York Times, Time journal, NPR, and different retailers nationwide. Her reporting journey to the Missouri Bootheel in August 2020 launched the “Silence in Sikeston” undertaking. She is a producer on the documentary and the podcast’s host.
In Conversation With …
Eddie R. Cole
Professor of training and historical past, UCLA
Keisha Bentley-Edwards
Associate professor of drugs, Division of General Internal Medicine at Duke University
Carol Anderson
Professor of African American research, Emory University
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Transcript: Racism Can Make You Sick
“Silence in Sikeston,” Episode 1: “Racism Can Make You Sick” Transcript
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Cara Anthony: Sikeston sits within the Missouri Bootheel. That’s the decrease nook of the state, with the Mississippi River on one facet, Arkansas on the opposite. Lots of individuals say it’s the place the South meets the Midwest.
Picture cotton, soybeans, rice. It’s sizzling, inexperienced, and flat. If you’ve ever heard of Sikeston earlier than, it’s in all probability due to this:
Ryan Skinner: Hot rolls!
Cara Anthony: Lambert’s Café. Home of the “Throwed Rolls.”
Server: Yeah, they’ll say, uh, “Hot rolls!” And individuals will maintain their arms up they usually’ll toss it to you.
Cara Anthony: The servers stroll round with carts and throw these large dinner rolls at diners.
Ryan Skinner: Oh, it’s enjoyable. You get to nail individuals within the head and never get in bother for it.
Cara Anthony: There’s the rodeo. The cotton carnival.
But I got here to see Rhonda Council.
Rhonda Council: My title is Rhonda Council. I used to be born and raised right here in Sikeston.
Cara Anthony: Rhonda is the city’s first Black metropolis clerk.
She turned my information. I met her after I got here right here to make a movie in regards to the little-known historical past of racial violence in Sikeston.
I’m Cara Anthony. I’m a well being reporter. I cowl the methods racism — together with violence — impacts well being.
Rhonda grew up within the shadow of that violence — in part of city the place practically everybody was Black. It’s known as Sunset.
Rhonda Council: Sunset was a cheerful place. I keep in mind simply being, as a child, we might stroll right down to the shop, we might simply go get sweet.
Cara Anthony: There have been church buildings and a faculty there.
Rhonda Council: We knew everyone locally. If we did one thing unsuitable, you’ll be able to greatest imagine your mother and father was going to seek out out about it earlier than you bought residence.
Cara Anthony: Back within the day, these have been dust roads.
Cara Anthony: OK, so we’re on the brink of go on a tour of Sunset, which was once generally known as the Sunset Addition, proper?
Rhonda Council: Mm-hmm, sure. Mm-hmm.
Cara Anthony: We obtained into her automotive, together with Rhonda’s mom and her grandmother, Mable Cook.
Rhonda Council: This road was generally known as The Bottom. Everything Black-owned. They had golf equipment, that they had shops, they even had homes that individuals stayed in. I feel it was shotgun homes again then?
Mable Cook: Uh-huh.
Cara Anthony: That’s Rhonda’s grandmother, Ms. Mable, proper there. She was a youngster right here within the Nineteen Forties. Her reminiscence of the place appears to get stronger with every uh-huh and mm-hmm.
Rhonda Council: And this was simply the place the place individuals went on the weekend to, you realize, have a great time and get together. … And this space was type of generally known as “the corner” as a result of they used to have a membership right here. And they’d … they’d gamble loads down right here. They would throw cube. Everything down right here on the nook.
Mable Cook: That’s proper. Sure did. Mm-hmm.
Rhonda Council: You keep in mind this road, Grandma?
Mable Cook: Yeah, I’m attempting to see the place the shop was once.
Rhonda Council: OK.
Mable Cook: I feel it was near Smith Chapel.
Rhonda Council: OK.
Cara Anthony: Rhonda’s grandmother, Ms. Mable, was 97 then.
Rhonda Council: She is a petite girl, to me, thin-framed. I describe her eyes as like a grayish-color eyes. And I don’t know if it’s due to previous age, however I feel they’re so lovely. And she simply has a fairly smile, and she or he’s only a unbelievable girl.
Cara Anthony: Ms. Mable was born in Indianola, Mississippi. When she was 14, her father moved to Sikeston searching for work.
Rhonda Council: And so she got here up right here to, um, to be along with her father. But she mentioned when she got here to Sikeston, she mentioned it was an uncommon expertise as a result of they weren’t allowed to go to shops. They weren’t allowed to, mainly, be with the white individuals. And that’s not what she knew down in Mississippi. And in her thoughts, she couldn’t perceive why Missouri, why Sikeston was like that in treating Black those who approach.
And not too lengthy after that, the lynching of Cleo Wright occurred.
[BEAT]
Cara Anthony: It was 1942. While the United States was at warfare marching to cease fascism, a white mob right here went unchecked and lynched a person named Cleo Wright.
The lynching of a Black man in America was not unusual. And typically barely documented.
But within the case of Cleo Wright — maybe as a result of the dying challenged what the nation mentioned it was preventing for — the killing on this small city made nationwide information.
The case generated sufficient consideration that the FBI carried out the primary federal investigation right into a lynching. That investigation in the end amounted to nothing.
Meanwhile — right here in Sikeston — the response to the brutal dying was principally silence.
Eight many years later, one other Black man was killed in Sikeston. This time by police.
Local media retailers, like KFVS, lined it as against the law story:
KFVS report: The Missouri State Highway Patrol says troopers should piece collectively precisely what led to the taking pictures dying of 22-year-old Denzel Marshall Taylor.
Cara Anthony: I feel the killings of Denzel Taylor and Cleo Wright are a public well being story.
Our movie “Silence in Sikeston” is grounded in my reporting about Cleo and Denzel. Part of the document of the group’s trauma and silence is captured within the movie. This podcast extends that dialog.
We’re exploring what it means to stay with that stress — of racism, of violence. And we’re going to speak in regards to the toll that it takes on our well being as Black Americans, particularly as we attempt to keep protected.
In every episode, we’ll hear a narrative from my reporting. Then, a visitor and I’ll speak about it.
The historical past …
Carol Anderson: The energy of lynching is to terrorize the Black group, and one of many methods the group offers with that terror is the silence of it. […] And while you don’t take care of the wound, it creates all types of injury.
Cara Anthony: And well being …
Aiesha Lee: It’s nearly like each time we’re silent, it’s like a little bit pinprick. […] And after so lengthy, these little pinpricks flip up as coronary heart illness, as most cancers, as all these different illnesses.
Cara Anthony: I’m hoping this journalism, and these tales, will spark a dialog that you just’ve been that means to have.
This is an invite.
From WORLD Channel and KFF Health News and distributed by PRX, that is “Silence in Sikeston,” the podcast.
Episode 1: “Racism Can Make You Sick”
[BEAT]
Cara Anthony: Ms. Mable was a witness to the lynching of Cleo Wright. The 25-year-old was about to grow to be a father.
Rhonda’s uncle says Cleo was …
Harry Howard: Young, good-looking, an athlete, and really well-known locally.
Cara Anthony: That’s Harry Howard. He didn’t know Cleo. Harry wasn’t even born but. But his uncle knew Cleo.
Harry Howard: They have been buddies. They would shoot pool collectively and have been recognized to be on the little nook retailer, the Scott’s Grocery.
Cara Anthony: Harry’s household handed down the story of what occurred.
Harry Howard: So every thing I’m reporting is the way in which it was instructed by individuals I belief.
Cara Anthony: Black households principally talked about it in whispers.
Eddie R. Cole: And that appears like that is a kind of conditions the place that group would reasonably simply depart this alone and attempt to transfer on with the life that you just do have as an alternative of dropping extra life.
Cara Anthony: That’s my pal Eddie Cole. He’s a professor of historical past and training at UCLA.
We have been in school collectively at Tennessee State and labored on the college newspaper.
I known as up Eddie as a result of I needed to get his take as a historian. What occurs once we hold quiet a few story like Cleo’s?
Eddie R. Cole: Yeah, I’m Eddie Cole. … So right here we go.
Cara Anthony: Thousands of Black individuals have been lynched earlier than Cleo Wright was. But this was the primary time the feds mentioned, “Hey, we should go to Sikeston and investigate lynching as a federal crime.”
This story although, critically, prefer it simply disappeared off the face of the map. Like, it’s, it’s scary to me. So lots of the witnesses that I interviewed, they’ve handed away, Eddie, since we began this journey. And it’s scary to me to suppose that their tales … that these tales can actually simply go away.
[BEAT]
Eddie R. Cole: Lynching tales disappear however don’t disappear, proper? So, the individuals who dedicated the crime, they dedicated it and went on with their day, which is twisted inside itself, even to consider that.
But on the opposite facet, when you concentrate on Black Americans, there was no want to speak loads about it, proper? Because you speak an excessive amount of about some issues and that very same form of militia justice would possibly come to your entrance door in the course of the evening, proper? Stories like this are recognized however not recorded.
Cara Anthony: The hush that surrounded Cleo’s story again then was for Black individuals’s security. But I’m conflicted. Should Cleo’s story be off the desk? Or … might we be lacking a possibility for therapeutic?
On the cellphone with Eddie, I might really feel this anxiousness increase in me. I used to be nearly afraid to deliver it up, although it was the explanation why I known as.
[BEAT]
Cara Anthony: And I will probably be trustworthy with you, I consider you a similar approach I consider my brother, my father, like, I’ve nearly needed to guard the Black males in my life from that story as a result of I understand how arduous it’s to listen to.
Cara Anthony: It was January 1942. Cleo was accused of assaulting a white girl. A police officer arrested him; there was a battle. Cleo was overwhelmed and shot. Covered in blood, he was finally taken to jail. White residents of Sikeston mobbed the jail to get to Cleo.
Cara Anthony: I do wish to play a clip for you, simply so you’ll be able to hear a little bit bit, in case you are up for that, as a result of it’s loads. How are you feeling about that at present?
Eddie R. Cole: No, I wish to hear. I imply, I gotta know extra now. You simply instructed me there’s a narrative that simply disappeared, however now you’re bringing it again to life. So let’s play the clip.
Cara Anthony: All proper. Let’s do it.
Harry Howard: They took him out of the jail and drug him from downtown on Center Street by way of the Black space of Sunset.
Obviously, it was a giant commotion, they usually have been saying, “What’s going on?” And the person driving the station wagon instructed them, “Get out of the street,” and, in fact, used the N-word. “There’s a lynching coming.”
Cara Anthony: Historian Carol Anderson is a professor of African American research at Emory University. She takes it from there.
Carol Anderson: They hook him to the bumper of the automotive and resolve to make an instance of him within the Black group.
The mob douses his physique with 5 gallons of gasoline and set it on fireplace. People are going, “Oh my God, they are burning a Black man. They are burning a Black man. They have lynched a Black man.”
Cara Anthony: I at all times must take a deep breath after listening to that story. So, I test in with Eddie.
Cara Anthony: OK. How you doing? You OK?
Eddie R. Cole: Yeah, yeah, um, that was robust.
Cara Anthony: I’ve grappled loads with the query of why, like, why now? Why this story? Am I loopy for doing this?
Eddie R. Cole: Yeah, I imply, this story is actually an entry level to speak about society at massive. Imagine the individuals who just like the world that we’re in. A world the place Black persons are oppressed. Right? And so not telling tales like what occurs in Sikeston is a neater approach to simply hold the established order. And what you’re doing is pushing again on it and saying, ah, we should keep in mind, as a result of the remnants of this era nonetheless form this city at present.
[BEAT]
Cara Anthony: On the tour of Sikeston with Rhonda, I see that.
Rhonda Council: We’re going to go in entrance of the church the place Cleo Wright was burned.
When we get down right here to the suitable, you’ll see Smith Chapel Church. And wasn’t it over right here on this approach the place he obtained burnt, Grandma?
Mable Cook: Uh-huh, yep.
Rhonda Council: OK. From what I hear, it occurred proper alongside on this space proper right here.
Cara Anthony: It’s a small brick church with a steeple on high. The highway is paved now, not gravel as earlier than. It all seems so … regular.
You’d suppose that type of violence, a lot hate, would depart a mark on the Earth. But on the day we visited, there was nothing to see. Just the church and the highway.
Ms. Mable is quiet. I’m wondering what she’s considering.
Mable Cook: I simply keep in mind them dragging him. They drove him from, uh, the police station out to Sunset Addition. But they took him round all of the streets so everyone might see.
Cara Anthony: Back at Rhonda’s residence, we talked extra about what Ms. Mable remembered.
Rhonda Council: Did that have an effect on you in any approach while you noticed that taking place?
Mable Cook: Yeah, it harm as a result of I by no means had seen something like that. Mm-hmm. And it type of obtained me. I used to be simply shocked or one thing. I don’t know. Mm-hmm.
Cara Anthony: Remember Ms. Mable had been a toddler in Mississippi within the ’30s — and it wasn’t till she moved north to Sikeston that she got here head to head with a lynching.
Rhonda Council: Did it stick in your thoughts after that for a very long time?
Mable Cook: Yeah, it did. It did stick as a result of I simply questioned why they needed to try this to him. You know, they may have simply taken him and put him in jail or one thing and never do all that to him.
I simply by no means had seen something prefer it. I had heard individuals speaking about it, however I had by no means seen something like that.
Cara Anthony: When it occurred, quite a lot of Black households in Sikeston scattered, fled city to locations that felt safer. Mable’s household returned to Mississippi for every week.
But after they obtained again, she says, Sikeston went on like nothing had ever occurred.
Here’s Rhonda with Ms. Mable once more.
Rhonda Council: After you all noticed the lynching that occurred, did you and your mates speak about that?
Mable Cook: No, we didn’t have none … we didn’t speak about it. My daddy instructed us to not don’t have anything be mentioned about it, uh-uh.
Rhonda Council: Oh, as a result of your dad mentioned that.
Mable Cook: That’s proper. He instructed us to not fear about it, not speak about it. Uh-huh. And he mentioned it’ll go away when you not speak about it, you realize, uh-huh.
Rhonda Council: So over time, did you ever wish to get it out? Did you ever wish to speak about it?
Mable Cook: Yeah, I did wish to. Uh-huh. I needed to. Uh-huh.
Rhonda Council: But you simply couldn’t do it.
Mable Cook: No. No. Uh-uh. No, he didn’t need us speaking about it. He instructed us to neglect it.
Cara Anthony: Forget it. Don’t speak about it. It’ll go away.
And, in a approach, it did.
No one was charged. No one went to jail. Cleo’s title light from the information.
[BEAT]
Cara Anthony: But many years later, Ms. Mable, the witness; Rhonda, her granddaughter; and me, the journalist, we talked about it loads.
We turned the story again and again, and as I listened to Ms. Mable, there was a distance between the just about matter-of-fact approach she described the lynching and what I anticipated her emotions can be.
I requested her if she was ever depressed … or if she had sleepless nights, anxiousness. As a well being reporter, I used to be looking out for signs of post-traumatic stress dysfunction.
But Ms. Mable mentioned no.
That shocked me. And Rhonda, too.
Cara Anthony: If we have been to roll again the clock, go in a time machine, it’s 1942. All of a sudden, you see Cleo Wright’s physique on the again of a automotive. How do you, are you able to even think about that?
Rhonda Council: I couldn’t think about. And even when speaking to her about it, and she or he had such a vivid reminiscence of it. And you ask her, did it hang-out her, and she or he mentioned no, she, it didn’t trouble her, however I do know deep down inside it needed to as a result of there’s no approach that you may see one thing like that — somebody dragged by way of the streets, mainly bare going over rocks and the physique simply being dragged.
I, I don’t know the way I might have dealt with it as a result of that’s simply very, you simply can’t deal with a human being like that.
Cara Anthony: That’s what’s so arduous about these tales. And the analysis reveals that seeing that type of brutal, racial violence has well being results. But how can we acknowledge them? And what occurs if we don’t?
Those are a few of the questions I requested Keisha Bentley-Edwards.
Keisha Bentley-Edwards: Oftentimes, individuals who expertise racial trauma are compelled to not acknowledge it as such, or they’re compelled to query whether or not or not it occurred within the first place.
Cara Anthony: Keisha is an affiliate professor in drugs at Duke University. She research structural racism and power well being situations and is aware of loads about what occurs after a lynching.
Keisha Bentley-Edwards: It’s troublesome to speak about racism. And a part of it’s that you just’re speaking about energy, who has it, who doesn’t have it.
It’s not enjoyable to speak about always being in a state the place another person can management your life with little recourse.
Cara Anthony: That’s much more difficult in a spot like Sikeston.
Keisha Bentley-Edwards: When you’re in a smaller metropolis, there isn’t a approach to flip away from the individuals who have been the perpetrators of a race-based crime. And that, in and of itself, is a trauma. To know that somebody has victimized your member of the family and you continue to need to say whats up, you continue to need to say, “Good morning, ma’am.” And it’s a must to simply swallow your trauma as a way to make the one who dedicated that trauma snug so that you just don’t put your personal relations in danger.
Cara Anthony: Keisha says half of the stress comes from being Black and at all times being conscious — alert — that the on a regular basis methods you progress by way of the world will be perceived as a risk to different individuals.
Keisha Bentley-Edwards: Your life as a Black individual is precarious. And I feel that’s what’s so arduous about lynchings and a majority of these racist incidents is that a lot of it’s about, “I turned left when I could have turned right.”
You know, “If I had just turned right or if I had stayed at home for another 10 minutes, this wouldn’t have happened.”
Cara Anthony: That’s as true at present because it was when Cleo Wright was alive.
Keisha Bentley-Edwards: So, you don’t need to know the historical past of lynching to be affected by it. And so if you wish to dismantle the legacy of the histories, you really need to understand it. So which you could deal with it and really have some sort of reconciliation and to maneuver ahead.
Cara Anthony: I don’t know the way you progress on from one thing just like the lynching of Cleo Wright. But breaking the silence is a step.
And at 97, Ms. Mable did simply that.
She spoke to me. She trusted me sufficient to speak about it. Afterward, she mentioned she felt lighter.
Mable Cook: That’s proper. Mm-hmm. So, it makes me really feel a lot better after getting it out.
[BEAT]
Cara Anthony: A few years after we took the tour of Sikeston collectively, Ms. Mable died.
When they lowered her casket into the bottom, Ms. Mable’s household performed a hymn she liked.
It was a music she had sung for me … the day she invited me to go to her church. We sat within the pews. It was the center of the week, however she was in her Sunday greatest.
As we talked about Cleo Wright and Ms. Mable’s life in Sikeston, she instructed me she got here again to that hymn again and again.
Mable Cook: “Glory, Glory.” That’s what it was. [SINGING] Glory, glory, hallelujah. Since I laid my burden down. Glory, glory, hallelujah. Since I laid my burdens down […]
Cara Anthony: I grew up singing that music. But earlier than that second, it was simply one other hymn in church. When Ms. Mable sang, it turned one thing else. It sounded extra like … an anthem. A name to acknowledge what we’ve been carrying with us in our our bodies and minds. And to understand it’s potential to speak about it … and possibly really feel lighter.
Mable Cook: [SINGING] … Every route go excessive and better since I laid my burden down. Every route go excessive and better since I laid my burden down […]
Cara Anthony: Racism is heavy and it’s making Black individuals sick. Hives, hypertension, coronary heart illness, irritation, and struggles with psychological well being.
To lay these burdens down, we’ve to call them first.
That’s what I need this collection to be: a podcast about discovering the phrases to say the issues that go unsaid.
Across 4 episodes, we’re exploring the silence round violence and racism. And, possibly, we’ll get some redemption, too.
I’m glad you’re right here. There’s much more to speak about.
Next time on “Silence in Sikeston,” the podcast …
Meet my Aunt B and listen to about our household’s hidden historical past.
Cara Anthony: I instructed you what the three R’s of historical past are, proper?
Aunt B: No, inform me.
Cara Anthony: So the three R’s of historical past are, it’s a must to acknowledge one thing as a way to restore it, as a way to have days of redemption. So, Recognize, Repair, Redeem. And that’s what we’re doing.
Aunt B: Man, how deep is that?
Cara Anthony: That’s what we’re doing.
Aunt B: Wow.
CREDITS
Cara Anthony: Thanks for listening to “Silence in Sikeston.”
Next, go watch the documentary — it’s a joint manufacturing from Retro Report and KFF Health News, introduced in partnership with WORLD.
Subscribe to WORLD Channel on YouTube. That’s the place you’ll find the movie “Silence in Sikeston,” a Local, USA particular.
This podcast is a co-production of WORLD Channel and KFF Health News and distributed by PRX.
It was produced with help from PRX and made potential partly by a grant from the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation.
The audio collection was reported and hosted by me, Cara Anthony.
Zach Dyer and Taylor Cook are the producers.
Editing by Simone Popperl.
Taunya English is managing editor of the podcast.
Sound design, mixing, and authentic music by Lonnie Ro.
Podcast artwork design by Colin Mahoney and Tania Castro-Daunais.
Oona Zenda was the lead on the touchdown web page design.
Julio Ricardo Varela consulted on the script.
Sending a shoutout to my vocal coach, Viki Merrick, for serving to me faucet into my voice.
Music on this episode is from BlueDot Sessions and Epidemic Sound.
Additional audio from KFVS News in Sikeston, Missouri.
Some of the audio you’ll hear throughout the podcast can be within the movie.
For that, particular because of Adam Zletz, Matt Gettemeier, Roger Herr, and Philip Geyelin, who labored with us and colleagues from Retro Report.
Kyra Darnton is government producer at Retro Report.
I used to be a producer on the movie.
Jill Rosenbaum directed the documentary.
Kytja Weir is nationwide editor at KFF Health News.
WORLD Channel’s editor-in-chief and government producer is Chris Hastings.
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