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When a New York couple bought a medical health insurance plan from a telemarketer, they thought it coated every part they needed: physician visits, exams, and medication. But then got here the sudden payments for hundreds of {dollars}, forcing them to skip essential medical care.
In their collection “Health Care Hustlers,” Bloomberg reporters Zachary Mider and Zeke Faux revealed how this couple and hundreds of different individuals signed up for well being plans by unknowingly agreeing to work faux “jobs.”
Mider and Faux be part of “An Arm and a Leg” host Dan Weissmann to peel again the stunning layers of this story, from a TV-sitcom-writer-turned-investor who masterminded the thought to the authorized grey space that enables these plans to proliferate.
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Host and producer of “An Arm and a Leg.” Previously, Dan was a workers reporter for Marketplace and Chicago’s WBEZ. His work additionally seems on All Things Considered, Marketplace, the BBC, 99 Percent Invisible, and Reveal, from the Center for Investigative Reporting.
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Transcript: A Wild Health Insurance Hustle
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Dan: Hey there—
This story’s define could sound acquainted, however what’s beneath — what we unravel right here: It’s a brand new sort of factor. And it’s bizarre.
And it may change into large.
So: A pair from New York, Sarah and Joe Strohmenger began new companies, so that they wanted to purchase their very own medical health insurance for the primary time..
And Sarah says the New York state market, with Obamacare plans, appeared a little bit dangerous: If they acquired a subsidy, after which their new companies did nicely, they may should pay that subsidy again.
Sarah Strohmenger: As new enterprise homeowners, we had not a clue of how a lot we had been gonna make within the yr.
So we had been nervous about. How a lot we had been gonna should again pay.
Dan: Looking elsewhere appeared like a cautious factor to do. Google led them to a website that supplied quotes for insurance coverage insurance policies — simply enter your telephone quantity. They began getting calls from telemarketers, loads of them, and ultimately they picked a plan one in all them supplied.
Sarah and Joe thought they had been being fairly cautious. After all, Insurance is a regulated enterprise.
Sarah Strohmenger: We’re considering it’s monitored. We had no clue that this was sort of like a free for all.
Dan: So as you’ve in all probability already guessed: Pretty rapidly, and really painfully, Sarah and Joe discovered that they’d been hustled.
But it took a pair of reporters from Bloomberg News to uncover the character of that hustle.
Zach Mider: There’s this sort of new breed of individuals providing well being plans to the general public that aren’t, um, not insurance coverage firms in any respect,
Dan: That’s a type of Bloomberg reporters, Zach Mider. As Zach and his reporting companion Zeke Faux revealed, this telemarketer had — on paper — made Joe an worker of an organization he’d by no means heard of till these reporters advised him about it.
And in keeping with the authorized principle beneath all of this, making Joe a sure sort of worker allowed the salesperson to promote Joe an insurance coverage plan so skimpy that— as Zach and Zeke’s story says — it might “normally be illegal.”
Zach Mider says these sorts of plans presently function in a authorized gray space, with no one regulating it — not states, not the feds.
Zach Mider: So it truly is simply sort of this bizarre authorized vacuum the place, you recognize, market actors are free to sort of leap in and begin making an attempt to do that.
Dan: Which, Zach says, they appear to be doing, increasingly.
Zach Mider: It appears just like the numbers are capturing up
Dan: In their Bloomberg story, Zach and Zeke cite a whole bunch of complaints to the FTC from individuals who had been bought these sorts of well being plans.
They additionally write about assembly the man who appears to have invented these plans — a former TV sitcom author who they are saying really believes he’s fixing an vital drawback.
Their reporting — in a collection known as “Health Care Hustlers” — exhibits one thing else too:
How every hustle will get created by a series of legally-distinct operators — a few of them actually working utterly independently of one another — and the way, by being only one hyperlink in a series, every operator can say:
“I was just doing a totally legit thing. It’s not my fault if some other guy is shady.”
Basically: These tales are exhibiting us, extra clearly than I’ve ever seen, what we’re up in opposition to once we take a name from any individual who says they’ve acquired a fantastic insurance coverage plan for us.
And it’s a very wild experience. Here we go.
This is An Arm and a Leg, a present about why well being care prices so freaking a lot, and what we will possibly do about it. I’m Dan Weissmann. I’m a reporter, and I like a problem. So the job we’ve chosen right here is to tackle one of the enraging, terrifying, miserable elements of American life — and produce you one thing entertaining, empowering and helpful.
To begin, right here’s how dangerous issues acquired for Sarah and Joe Strohmenger.
As they knew: They wanted good medical health insurance. They’ve acquired pre-existing situations.
For occasion, Joe takes medication that Sarah says prices 1500 {dollars} a month. And he’s acquired a benign mind tumor and has a physician monitoring it.
Sarah Strohmenger: That physician was a very powerful physician as a result of it’s a physician you’ll be able to’t afford with out medical health insurance.
Dan: Sarah says the monitoring consists of periodic bloodwork and MRIs.
So she says once they had been choosing this plan, they requested concerning the physician, concerning the exams, concerning the medication, all their suppliers.
She says the gross sales rep for this plan advised them, Yes. That is all coated.
Sarah Strohmenger: You know, it sounded nice, coated every part that we wanted.
Dan: Joe and Sarah paid about 87 hundred {dollars} upfront— a reduction for a full yr’s protection.
But Sarah says as soon as they tried really utilizing the plan, issues went south. She says their pharmacist advised her Joe’s medication wasn’t coated, and Joe’s physician mentioned his visits weren’t coated both.
And she says payments arrived that she didn’t count on.
Sarah Strohmenger: We had been getting blood work payments again within the mail, for like $4,000 at a pop at a time, 3000.
Dan: According to the Bloomberg story, Joe known as the corporate they’d purchased the coverage from— and reached a man who mentioned upgrading their plan would repair every part. They finally paid 20 thousand {dollars} for insurance coverage that also didn’t cowl what they wanted.
Sarah says she thinks additionally they ended up on the hook for 10 to fifteen thousand {dollars} in medical payments.
Sarah Strohmenger: Within like six months, we stopped going to medical doctors.
Dan: They couldn’t afford to.
Sarah Strohmenger: We simply had been like, if we find yourself within the hospital, we’re principally screwed, you recognize? So Joe stopped going to all of his physician’s appointments, he stopped taking his medicine, and it was dangerous.
Dan: Meanwhile, Sarah says additionally they complained to state regulators concerning the firm that bought them this coverage.
The regulators wrote again, saying: We’ve by no means licensed or accredited this entity. So… sorry. Sarah was like, Wait, WHAT?
Sarah Strohmenger: I lived in a paradox that I didn’t know existed for a yr. My thoughts was blown.
Dan: I’m telling you — it’s REALLY bizarre. I’ve seen the letter, that’s what it says. And no: It’s not like there’s another state workplace Sarah was supposed to put in writing to. I checked.
Sarah says she and Joe took authorized motion in opposition to the advertising and marketing firm, however they haven’t recovered any cash. She says they paid off all of the payments. And she says they signed up for a plan on New York’s Obamacare market, which has been overlaying what they want.
But she by no means understood what the heck had occurred — the character of the hustle — till she despatched her story as a tip to Bloomberg News, and Zach Mider acquired in contact.
As it occurred, he’d been digging into precisely this sort of hustle.
Which has, I’ve to say, simply an incredible variety of layers and twists. Starting right here:
When Zach checked out Sarah and Joe’s insurance coverage playing cards, he seen one thing that that they had missed.
The title of a GROUP on the high — like as if this was a gaggle plan, such as you’d get out of your job.
And that was a key to the entire association. That group — Outreach Data Partners Limited Partnership — isn’t an insurance coverage firm.
As Zach places it, their authorized stance is: They haven’t bought insurance coverage to Sarah and Joe — or anyone else. That’s not the connection.
Zach Mider: They’re claiming they’ve an employer-employee relationship with the individuals who purchase well being plans from them, and subsequently, all the state insurance coverage legal guidelines don’t apply.
Dan: Now, first: It’s really true that for most individuals who get well being advantages from their employer — like two-thirds — state insurance coverage legal guidelines don’t apply. Lots of employers function plans regulated by the federal Department of Labor.
Which Zach says is how Outreach Data Partners arrange the plan Sarah and Joe purchased.
All of which was information to Sarah and Joe.
Zach Mider: They simply thought they had been shopping for medical health insurance.
Dan: And in the event that they’re staff right here, what was the JOB alleged to be?
Zach Mider: Yeah, that’s a fantastic query. So, there’s some work that’s alleged to be achieved.
Dan: OK, strap in: Zach says to begin with, in principle, the corporate offers you a particular browser to make use of in your telephone.
Zach Mider: The concept is if you wish to go do one thing on the web, you employ this particular browser they usually’re amassing knowledge about individuals’s shopping habits which then they’ll flip round and promote that data to advertisers.
Dan: So that’s the “job”: By utilizing this browser, you’re producing worth for the corporate— you’re working for them. Joe and Sarah advised Zach they by no means acquired any particular browser. And after all there’s one other factor they may have anticipated to get from a job, ANY job: A paycheck.
And right here’s how Zach says that absence will get defined.
Zach Mider: These knowledge firms have been described to me as type of, they’re startups, proper?
Dan: And right here’s the place the complete title of this firm comes into play: ?Outreach Data Partners Limited Partnership. On paper, Joe and Sarah aren’t mere staff, they’re … restricted companions— half homeowners. But in an organization that hasn’t began creating wealth but.
Zach Mider: Maybe they’ve a millionth share of the corporate. And so if the corporate begins making some huge cash, they’ll get a test.
Dan: I don’t assume Joe and Sarah are holding their breath for a test from Outreach Data Partners.
According to the Bloomberg story the corporate doesn’t have a public-facing web site, and LinkedIn doesn’t listing any staff. But the story additionally says that in a authorities submitting the corporate claims 4,800 staff.
Zach and Zeke checked out the corporate’s headquarters: Box 371 at a UPS retailer in an Atlanta strip mall — between a dry cleaner and a Vietnamese restaurant.
They discovered greater than a dozen different firms utilizing the identical mailbox as their deal with — firms with names like Consumer Data Partners. All advised, their story says these firms declare greater than 30,000 staff.
And when Zach and Zeke began calling individuals linked to these firms, they ended up speaking with the man who appears to have invented what they name this fake-jobs healthcare setup.
A man named Bill Bryan.
Zach Mider: Bill Bryan, was a reasonably profitable sitcom author within the eighties and nineties. He wrote for Night Court
Judge from Night Court: What’s up Mac?
Mack from Night Court: Slightly case of disturbing the piece at a Star Trek conference, sir.
Zach Mider: And Coach
Craig Nelson: I didn’t lose the sport. The crew misplaced the sport. I didn’t.
Zach Mider: And he wrote for a bunch of others. And then he does some actual property offers. He will get concerned in another investments. He finally ends up being a reasonably rich man and in search of new issues to put money into, and comes throughout the thought of doing one thing with well being plans.
Dan: ?Zach says, the thought was this: Obamacare had imposed requirements on loads of medical health insurance. Minimum stuff that needed to be coated. Hospitalization. Mental well being companies. Prescription medication. But overlaying all that stuff is pricey. It means premiums might be excessive, even with subsidies. And deductibles might be super-high: Thousands of {dollars}.
So Bill Bryan thought…
Zach Mider: possibly if there was a manner of designing a product that was authorized. That coated much less stuff than Obamacare, however nonetheless gave individuals what they needed. You know? Um, it’s a free nation. Maybe individuals ought to have the ability to resolve what sort of healthcare they wanna purchase and never have to fulfill all these minimal requirements that possibly they’re not involved in.
Dan: So the plan that Sarah and Joe acquired bought, Zach says it doesn’t meet these minimal requirements. He says it covers like three physician visits a yr, a few lab companies, and never rather a lot else.
Zach Mider: No protection for hospitalization, no cowl for emergency room visits. There is a prescription or there’s a pharmacy profit, however it solely covers generics.
Dan: Zach says Bill Bryan actually thinks: that’s a product any individual would possibly favor to an Obamacare plan with a excessive deductible. Under the Affordable Care Act, you’ll be able to’t promote that product as insurance coverage. Actually, when you’ve got loads of staff, you’ll be able to’t provide it to them both.
But as a health-insurance regulation professional at Georgetown advised me: You may possibly provide it to OWNERS of your organization.
So by making individuals like Joe and Sarah LIMITED PARTNERS, possibly you might provide them this sort of super-stripped-down well being plan legally.
Zach says: Bill Bryan thinks of this as a solution to repair an issue he sees with Obamacare: Full protection is simply too costly for some individuals.
Zach Mider: He’s a really good man, and so over time he’s needed to battle rather a lot for this, and I believe that’s solely sort of strengthened his conviction that it might be a corrective to the Obamacare system to have one thing that’s extra inexpensive and extra accessible for individuals to get.
Dan:Of course, that’s not what Joe and Sarah needed – value wasn’t their high concern. They wanted insurance coverage that coated their suppliers, their remedies, their exams, their meds. That’s what they thought they had been paying for.
I requested Zach and Zeke, what does Bill Bryan say concerning the sort of factor that occurred to Joe and Sarah?
Zach Mider: So it, it’s actually vital to level out right here that like Bill Bryan didn’t promote the plan to Joe and Sarah. You know, he doesn’t do the decision facilities, proper? These salespeople are all sort of impartial operators who’re basically simply promoting these items for a fee. And so, he actually doesn’t defend anyone deceptive a buyer.
Dan: According to Bloomberg’s story, Bryan mentioned he had reduce ties with the company that bought Joe and Sarah their plan — years in the past.
And when he was advised that the company had bought the couple one in all his plans way more not too long ago, Bryan mentioned, “That is absolutely news to me. I just don’t have anything more to say about any of these motherfuckers.”
Zeke Faux: When we had been speaking with Bryan, although…
Dan: That’s Zach’s reporting companion, Zeke Faux.
Zeke Faux: …he and his colleagues had been fairly evasive about precisely how these plans are bought.
Dan: Zeke says the way in which the plans are bought — particularly, the massive fee charges for salespeople — was one of many causes he and Zach acquired on this story within the first place.
Zeke Faux: Basically, the proportion of regardless of the buyer’s paying that’s going to the salesperson and the assorted middlemen concerned is so excessive that it’s sort of laborious to think about that the client could possibly be getting deal.
Dan: Even if the plan was low cost. Zach had pulled some knowledge, crunched some numbers. The Bloomberg story says— at the very least in some circumstances— all these commissions and costs added as much as 74 p.c of what individuals like Joe and Sarah paid for these plans.
Zach Mider: If an individual’s paying a greenback virtually 74 cents is gonna go to fee to different varied middlemen and no matter and solely 26 cents is left for really going into the pool from which medical care is paid out of.
Dan: 26 cents for medical care. So, simply to match. Obamacare requires insurance coverage to spend at the very least 80 cents of each greenback on medical care.
Everything else — your gross sales operation, all of your admin prices — together with the individuals who deny claims— and your CEO’s pay, and your earnings — has to come back out of that remaining 20 cents.
With Bill Bryan’s plans, Zach’s numbers present that ratio can get virtually flipped: 26 cents for medical care. 74 cents for commissions, charges, every part else
Zeke says: They introduced these points as much as Bill Bryan.
Zeke Faux: And once we tried to ask about that, Bryan and his colleagues pleaded ignorance, as if it was not likely their enterprise how the salesmen acquired paid.
Dan: And it is a large, large theme on this story: There’s no SINGLE entity doing all of this. It’s a series of various gamers, and each can blame the others.
Bill Bryan blamed the gross sales outfit for what occurred to Joe and Sarah.
And that firm? Their CEO advised Zach and Zeke that Outreach Data Partners screwed up, denying claims for the Strohmengers that ought to’ve been paid. And because the Bloomberg story experiences: Bill Bryan dismissed that notion.
But there are extra hyperlinks on this chain than that. For occasion, Outreach Data Partners — the corporate that theoretically made Joe and Sarah restricted companions?
Bill Bryan doesn’t run it. He doesn’t run ANY of the businesses that make use of 30,000 individuals from a mailbox in an Atlanta strip mall.
Which isn’t to say that he has nothing to do with them. That’s subsequent.
This episode of An Arm and a Leg is produced in partnership with KFF Health News. That’s a nonprofit newsroom overlaying well being points in America. Their journalists do wonderful work. We’re honored to be their colleagues.
So, Bill Bryan appears to be the mastermind behind what Bloomberg calls these 30,000 fake-jobs, and the well being plans they provide.
But no, he doesn’t run the info firms behind these jobs. That could be unlawful.
Zach Mider: The knowledge firms themselves wouldn’t be allowed beneath federal labor regulation to show a revenue on these well being plans.
Dan: I imply, that feels like regulation: Your boss isn’t alleged to become profitable by promoting you a well being plan.
Zach Mider: So it’s all very segregated. They’re very cautious to say these knowledge firms are separate from us. The knowledge firms are using these individuals and they’re sponsoring these well being plans. And Bill Bryan’s position is he runs a collection of distributors which offers companies to the info firms.
Dan: Services like … operating a well being plan! Which, for a traditional firm, is a standard association.
Remember how we mentioned: Lots of employer well being plans — ones tied to regular jobs— are exempt from state insurance coverage legal guidelines?
The manner these plans are arrange, the employer usually hires a vendor — sometimes an enormous insurance coverage firm, like Blue Cross or Aetna — to run their well being plan.
These knowledge firms, as an alternative of hiring Aetna to manage a well being plan — for his or her 30 thousand “limited partners” — they’re hiring an organization that Bill Bryan occurs to run.
Zach Mider: I believe he’s achieved a reasonably good job of holding this stuff formally separate, proper? So he’s not formally in management. He doesn’t personal the info firms, doesn’t formally direct their actions.
Dan: But Zach says: Bill Bryan appears to have had a hand in getting them arrange. So they may provide well being plans. That he may run.
Zach Mider: I believe it’s honest to say that this was his and his companion’s concept, this complete sort of assemble. But he’s tried fairly laborious to, as a proper matter, make it compliant with federal labor regulation.
Zeke Faux: I really feel like we should always name the info firms and be like, hey, I can see that you’ve got loads of complaints about your well being plan. It may be hurting recruiting. You know, would you want to modify to Aetna? Then we may discover out if, uh — how impartial they’re.
Dan: That’s Zeke once more, and yeah: He and Zach wrote of their story that they discovered HUNDREDS of complaints to the Federal Trade Commission, and the Better Business Bureau, and Apple’s App retailer about well being plans tied to faux jobs.
A graphic that goes with their story exhibits dozens of quotes, like: This complete factor looks like an enormous rip-off that I fell for.
And: I can’t think about I’m the one one who has been lied to and principally stolen from.
And: Stay away in any respect prices.
Which raises an enormous query: Is any of this actually authorized? Isn’t there somebody regulating it?
Zach says Bill Bryan desires solutions to these questions too.
Seven years in the past, an information firm the Bloomberg story describes as “allied with Bryan” went to the Labor Department for clarification— and validation. Basically, they mentioned:
Zach Mider: We need you to log out on this and ensure to everybody within the market that that is legit. That these are actual staff, these restricted companion staff who’re downloading the online browser are actual staff, and that subsequently we will promote ’em, these well being plans with none drawback. And the Department of Labor when push got here to shove mentioned, no, these aren’t staff. You’re simply making an attempt to promote insurance coverage.
Dan: Bryan’s allies went to courtroom to battle again.
Zach Mider: And they’re nonetheless combating over all of it these a few years later. That was 2018 once they had been first making an attempt to get this opinion. And um, now it’s 2025 and it’s nonetheless unresolved.
Dan: ?Here’s what’s occurred to this point: A district choose dominated in opposition to the Labor Department, calling its opinion “arbitrary and capricious.” An appeals courtroom later agreed with that conclusion, however despatched the case again to the district courtroom to rethink different particulars, together with: what ought to occur subsequent.
Zach Mider: So the way in which it stands, it’s actually in a sort of unusual limbo, the place the Department of Labor actually doesn’t get to say, these are legit, or these usually are not whereas we watch for the litigation to play out. But it does open the door for different individuals like Bill Bryan to come back into {the marketplace} and begin promoting this sort of stuff.
Dan: And it appears like they’ve. The Bloomberg story has a chart, exhibiting the variety of households enrolled in “fake jobs” plans. After the appeals courtroom dominated in opposition to the labor division, the numbers greater than doubled.
And in the meantime, NOBODY is regulating these plans. They’re not conventional insurance coverage, so state insurance coverage departments don’t have jurisdiction. So with the federal case on maintain, individuals like Sarah and Joe have nobody to show to.
In a letter to the editor that Bloomberg revealed, Bill Bryan blames what occurred to individuals like Sarah and Joe on the Labor Department, for not validating his mannequin.
“If the department stepped up and played its proper role,” he wrote, “the fraud reported in your story could have very well been prevented.”
He added: “At a minimum, it would give victims someplace to seek recourse.”
So: all people’s acquired any individual else in charge.
Which is likely one of the themes that connects Bill Bryan’s story with a very WILD story that Zeke traced to Florida. One that doesn’t begin out sounding prefer it has something to do with medical health insurance.
In 2024, he writes, “if you were poor and online, certain ads were everywhere you looked.”
These advertisements featured movie star deepfakes — promising 6 thousand 4 hundred {dollars}, if you happen to name a sure telephone quantity.
Zeke Faux: I imply, it appears prefer it’s Taylor Swift, and she or he’s saying…
Fake Taylor Swift: Remember these stimulus checks? Well, there’s a brand new factor going viral.
Zeke Faux: Or it’s Dr. Phil and he’s saying..
Fake Dr. Phil: They’re giving out $6,400 to anybody who makes the decision
Zeke Faux: Or Andrew Tate saying…
Fake Andrew Tate: If you don’t act now, you’re principally throwing away $6,400. That’s simply silly.
Zeke Faux: And these advertisements didn’t even, they may briefly point out medical health insurance or possibly they don’t say medical health insurance in any respect.
Dan: But if you happen to known as that quantity, you’d find yourself speaking with somebody able to signal you up for medical health insurance.
Sign you up so rapidly that… you won’t have any concept that’s what had simply occurred.
Or, for that matter, that no, you wouldn’t be getting 64 hundred bucks to spend.
This story goes in some WILD instructions, however right here’s how Zeke describes the reference to the fake-jobs saga.
Zeke Faux: in reporting each of those tales, I believe what we realized is that there’s sort of a subculture of name heart operators who’ve turned what looks like a reasonably boring enterprise promoting medical health insurance right into a get wealthy fast sort of operation.
Dan: The name facilities, the telemarketers. That’s the connection— Bloomberg paired these tales beneath the heading “Health Care Hustlers.”And these hustlers are all the time in search of a unique approach.
Which is to say: Zeke and Zach’s tales reinforce an enormous Arm and a Leg rule:
If the web leads you to a telephone name with somebody who says they’ve acquired a GREAT medical health insurance deal for you… be very, very suspicious.
And lots of people will probably be in search of offers on medical health insurance.
During the Biden Administration, Congress added more-generous subsidies to Obamacare plans, which made them extra inexpensive.
Unless Congress re-ups them quickly— which appears unlikely— these further subsidies will expire this yr.
People will search for options, and these name facilities will provide them.
In a manner, it’s again to the long run:
The first Trump Administration loosened sure guidelines, making it simpler to promote short-term plans that didn’t meet Obamacare requirements. Zeke says he reported on the outcomes again then.
Zeke Faux: I spoke with individuals who had purchased these plans after which had medical emergencies and been caught with 50 or 100 thousand greenback payments, so we’ll be — we’re kinda watching to see what new merchandise emerge or what these name facilities begin promoting.
Dan: And in the meantime, simply — look: Don’t purchase insurance coverage over the telephone from any individual you’ve by no means met. Don’t hassle with google. Healthcare dot gov. That’s principally it.
What you’ll discover there, I’m not saying you’ll adore it. It’s in all probability gonna price greater than you wish to pay, and deductibles will probably be excessive.
But despite the fact that subsidies for Obamacare plans aren’t AS beneficiant this yr, they nonetheless exist. And these insurance policies are regulated. Anything else… like Sarah Strohmenger mentioned, it’s a free-for-all. And there are some hustlers on the market.
Meanwhile: the Trump Administration and Congress have each arrange adjustments to the ACA marketplaces — administrative hassles that can make it tougher to get, and maintain, your protection.
The time to begin planning for it’s now. And we’re gonna have some assist for you, beginning with subsequent week’s First Aid Kit e-newsletter.
My colleague Claire Davenport has been digging into these adjustments, what they imply for all of us, and the way we will begin making ready.
You can join on our web site at armandalegshow dot com, slash, first help equipment.
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